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Post by Ian Thomas on Jul 1, 2023 14:40:25 GMT 10
Jayzuz! They're organised. They have web-reach, vids, pamphs, dvds, merch ... 🤦♂️ Certain dire questions about Democracy spring ineluctably to mind. We in modern times are taught to revere ancient Greek democracy as our precursor, the Light-on-the-Hill throughout all the ages. But it endured only from 507BC to about 460BC. In round figures, say, a mere 50 years. www.history.com/topics/ancient-greece/ancient-greece-democracyWestern democracies are doing a little better, so far. Universal franchise was only achieved in the 19-teens to 1920s; the reasons for its delayed advent were rooted in war, epidemics, economic collapse and labour shortages. The need for female labour, especially. So you'd say Western universal democracy is about 100yo, to date. However, given that 'The People' are susceptible to fcukwitteries like the above, we have to ask is Democracy aka 'Rule by the People" actually viable, long term? The long story of history argues against, imho & fwiw. * Republican Rome = democratic? Not really. "..the republican system was an elective oligarchy, not a democracy.." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic
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Post by dennisw on Jul 2, 2023 11:20:20 GMT 10
Within ten years of the development of the passenger jet water vapour levels over the Atlantic increased 15%. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas but it does regulate temperature, which is why the tropics are such a popular and productive place. Don't drive your car but fly around the world, a passenger jet uses as much fuel to take off as I would use to drive to Queensland in my old Ford.
The truth is that as jet fuel is basically kerosene jet exhaust is predominantly water vapour and CO2 both of which are recyclable. The uneducated will fall for anything even global warming. They are convinced that climate is linear not cyclical.
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Post by johannes on Sept 29, 2023 3:46:27 GMT 10
Ian Thomas wrote:
Actually. the ancients would have considered our contemporary Western system an aristocracy or an oligarchy because our leaders are chosen on the base of their (supposed) merit (and often wealth), not by drawing a lot, like the ancient Athenians did.
Note also that the early modern thinkers whose thougts were the ideological foundation of the 17th, 18th and 19th century Enlish, French and American revolutions considered aristocratic systems like Sparta, Carthage and the Roman Republic a model, not Attic democracy, that's why Washington was compared to Cincinattus, not to Perikles.
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