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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 0:14:18 GMT 10
I’d like to know others’ views on this. Wildlife in the bush on the property, the adjoining properties, right up through the NP, is scarce. Almost non-existent. Something happens up there - even with the birds. (Lord knows what's up with the birds.) A weird kind of place. Constantly feel the need to look behind you - all the time. There is never anything behind you when you spin around – just still, very quiet bush. Neither M nor I are normally nervous in the bush but we are up there. Anyone (so far) taken up there feels the same way, whether they are “city folk” or “bush folk”. First comment usually like: “It feels real spooky/weird in here”. Second comment usually like: “Where’s the animals?” I’m not big on guns. But I often wished we had a gun with us when up there. Anyone we took there always commented “no animals here”. It's basically untouched for decades bushland for God’s sake - there should be stuff scurrying around everywhere. Even no lizards except for some tiny little ones. The area is supposed to be “crawling with snakes” – We’ve never seen one. I saw a roo once in the earlier years. One little roo. I saw a little possum, or quoll, as it scurried off. One. That‘s all I’ve ever seen up there. Where are the animals up there? I see animals in other bush settings we are in. You don’t see much poop either. Except cow pooh. Local fencing is pretty poor or non-existent. Their cows can roam everywhere. They go right up back into the park. I found some cow poop miles back into the park the last time we were up there. I trod in it! I personally don’t know how big cows drag themselves up that mountain – but of course they get up there. I’ll stand for a long time and look up into these tall trees. You should be able to see and hear heaps of birds –nothing. The day we saw TT, C and I were sitting on a rock at the mountain top, waiting for R, who went off into the bush to check out “just another few metres along there”. We sat for 30 minutes. After a long time C just simply said: “No animals”. I replied: “Never is”. C: “Hmmm … Strange.” That’s all we needed to say. We were pretty subdued. That area has that affect on you. Makes you real quiet and subdued – but not in a happy way – in an unsettling way. Sat on the rock, taking in the (very silent) bush. (I had a big stick with me and my camera in the other hand and C scoffed at me about that.) After that 30 minutes I got worried about M not being back (especially after what I had seen earlier). I started to call out to R. I cooed myself stupid. For 10 minutes. No reply. I started to follow her trail through the bush. She hadn’t gone far. C groaned and got up and followed me. I was cooeeing as I went. C started to do big piercing whistles. No reply from R. After some minutes of this the bugger just appears out of the bush right in front of me. I never heard her coming. She never heard us coming. (Yep, we know THAT can happen. Scares me stupid every time. Me: “Where the hell did you go?” M: “Oh, just over there a bit – not far”. Me: “Didn’t you hear us yelling out and stuff – and you were right over there?” M: “Were you yelling? No. Nothing.” She must have been right in front of me when I yelled out my last cooee. But she didn’t hear us at any time right up until we collided. That never happens to us in other bush places in other areas. We are loud people, always heard each other before, even far away, even in thick bush where someone only a few metres away is invisible – they yell loud, you hear them. Can be muffled but you always hear something. But not up there that day. Does anyone else here have that happen to them? It’s never happened to us before in all the years we’ve tromped around in the bush. Yes, to the “disappearing into the bush only a few metres away” bit. But no to the “can’t hear anyone yelling at the top of their lungs only a few metres away”. That is just plain crazy. I swear we go into a Twilight Zone situation whenever we are up there. M has always remarked on the lack of animals up there from Day 1. She said "The locals up here reckon my land is haunted". I don’t know about haunted but it IS spooky. We are there always in broad daylight (never at dusk or night) and it's always spooky. It is never NOT spooky. And this was even in the years well before R saw her tan and black animals. Dogs don’t like the place much - are mostly quiet - stick close to you. With the exception of one of M’s dog (the bravest dog in the world) who spends all her time racing around up there chasing things you can’t ever see – go figure. She’s running and you don’t see anything running in front of her or grass moving in front or anything. I saw her do it on a plain dirt track up there once, no vegetation, just dirt, she was chasing … “nothing”. It looks like she’s chasing invisible rabbits. Freaked me out. She doesn’t chase “nothing” anywhere else or at home – you see her chasing “real things” – you see them – even if it’s an insect in long grass over her head – you see what she’s after. Up there she chases “nothings”. Dogs act weird up there. Years ago M told me about how she was up there (on her own – again!) and found the remains of a cow way back in the bush. She said it looked like something big had killed it and ripped into it. I told her “must be feral dogs – didn’t know they were up there”. (We didn’t know about anything “else” way back then.) She just went like “Hmmm … maybe”. She then said like: “Had to leave – felt it watching me - think I disturbed it eating”. I just assumed she meant “dog” when she said “it”. I don’t know other details of how much or what bits were eaten or how the flesh was ripped or on what part of the land it happened (but I’m sure she said at the ravine). That was something I wanted to quiz her on more on last Monday. Also she said she’s found heaps of bones up there – in one location – near the ravine – there’s “caves” just up from there. No-one goes into those caves. Too scared. I've only been in one other area of bush that had a similar feel to it. That was many years ago way out past Merriwa. We had with us an older friend - very experienced bushie (“A”). (Wally – your posts sound like you are a “bush boy” just like A. That's a big compliment Wally. We loved A dearly. Unfortunately, we lost him a couple of years ago. I always thought he was about 60 and a damned fit 60 at that – I found out he was actually well into his 80s - and still horse breaking!) That Merriwa property had the same spooky feel. Also very isolated. Land-locked. Heavy bush. But clearings sporadically through it. Locals through it a bit though. Only accessible on foot. Tramped all over it for 6 hours. Several creek crossings. Got wet. Late autumn. Nice in arvo but cold when night fell – no moon. Pitch black. I then fell right into one of the creek crossings. Got very wet then! But we were with A so felt safe. (We were always safe with A! He was a legend.) We just followed him back. We got back to the ute 9pm at night. Freezing cold and soaking wet. Long drive back to Newcastle – heater not working. Couldn’t stop shaking from the cold. Not a very pleasant experience. But the cold and soaking didn’t worry me too much – had worse. I just had the feeling that we “have to get out of here” – the whole six hours. After we drove away from the place I immediately felt much better. It was that land that made me feel bad. The place felt “wrong”, but not because of the isolation or anything – that doesn’t worry us – I kept coming back to the fact it was because there were no animals out there – day or night. In six hours of walking we saw one (very sick looking) wombat. Nothing else. There should have been heaps of wildlife. No birds either. Dead silent and no animals. We have been into some isolated spots over the years but they’ve never been totally silent with no animals – day or night – there’s always something going on. We never feel jumpy anywhere else. But at Merriwa we also got that same feeling of constantly being watched and always having to look behind us, even in daylight – even A felt it. And the air just feels “heavy” (only way to describe it). A just said “The land’s not right. Don’t like the place.” He was a man of few words. A few years back – chatting with old timer neighbour. He’s having a “moan about everything”. As one does. Talk about stock losses in the area. Cows being taken. Different properties. It happens quite a bit apparently. As long as he can remember. Not a lot is reported about it. (I can’t figure out why that is.) He seemed evasive about it all. He said stuff like: “Oh, THEY reckon it’s feral dogs and are going to drop bloody baits into the park again”. (I wonder now what HE reckoned it was.) Then: “I wouldn’t wander around so much up there if I was you lot” and “there are things up there ya know” and “ya don’t see dogs”. Just little quips like that. Back then we didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. I’ve got an idea now though! He’d lived there say 60 years. They took over from his wife’s father, who had the land before them. Had a long association with the place. He sold out a while back and moved away. Another other weird thing that happened to M was a smell. She was at the same ravine where she had had the first sighting of her “tan and black thing” running off into the bush when she startled it. (She is not scared of any dog. I’ve seen her stare down a big Rotti in attack mode face to face in its own yard and then walk past it to knock on the client’s back door. It came at her and was about to bite her and she just stopped and stared it down. IT got scared of HER then. Me: I screamed and climbed the side fence. So, she’s not easily frightened but this next episode really unnerved her a lot.) She was pottering around again (she’s been up there on her own a lot more times than I realised too over the years). Hope I got this in the right order, I couldn’t clarify it with her Monday as other people were with us. All of a sudden she just felt the need to “freeze”. Dogs froze too, then snuck in right up to her legs (even the brave one). They never made a sound. Felt she was being watched. Heard nothing. Got all jittery. The air went “very heavy”. She smelt “something - carcass”. She scanned around expecting to see a dead cow or something. Nothing. She said she then took a couple of steps, looked into ravine, to see if the cow was in there. No cow. The dogs wouldn’t get off her legs. Stuck to her like glue. She then said she felt something “different in the air” and suddenly there was an intense smell “like electrical wiring burning out”. All of a sudden one of her “black and tan things” burst out of the bush nearby and took off. She left right after that. She reckoned she’d disturbed it whilst it was having a feed. But where was the “feed”? She said she smelt it so strong that it must have been right next to her. But she couldn’t find it. Also, what was the sudden strong burnt electrical wire smell? (No storms. Bright sunny day. No wind.)
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Post by TC Guy on Mar 27, 2008 5:19:16 GMT 10
I’d like to know others’ views on this.You're a good writer TC. Amazingly detailed observations in a short time.
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Post by wally1 on Mar 27, 2008 8:59:12 GMT 10
You have a resident animal living nearby for sure, and is saying "Intruder", in silent sound. (more to come) Whether it is a TC or a bigcat, I have had no known up close experience with TC except finding tracks, but I have lived with bigcats. One used to plant her kittens under my floor and feed them on my front verandah, purred like a chainsaw. Could i get a look at her? no way, by the time I got my head out the window she would be gone. must have smelled me getting nearer. Bigcats , like a lot of animals can communicate with afra sound,elephants are the best known with belly rumbles which other elephants can hear 50 or so miles away, whales can communicate for 100s of miles, so we are informed. Then there is the roar of the tiger which can paralize prey, and so I have heard changing of mood swings of masses of people at political rallies. It is not uncommon for people out walking in the bush or at night to suddenly packem. Hair stand on end, feeling from uneasyness to abject terror. This is just a bigcat saying "Howdy, you are on my patch". The surrounding bush denizens either go quiet or vacate. My reaction is intense awareness, ready for instant reaction either with shotgun or pickhandle (insurance). Never had to use either yet although I knew cat was trailing me and close up. This has been in heavy scrub. in cent Vic. I was once taken to a spot in the ranges East from Euroa, Vic to where a bigcat used to watch panners washing for gold. Small boy wandered up and down the creek, no trouble. One day the cat layed on its back and paddled its feet in the air. Now I dont know about bigcat but this is well recorded where leopards are concerned, and this is to decoy local villiage dogs within swiping distance. Wife, "Look darling, look whats its doing", but darling was in the car wiith the doors locked. Why is it that not only do people get into their vehicles but lock the doors as well. We took up a place on the hillside overlooking the creek. A dead cow had been placed nearby and it was almost all eaten, just picked bones. Mate started calling on hiis decoy and shortly all the birds went quiet. The progress of an animal could be traced by the movement in the bracken fern and a kookaburra took up station over it flying from tree to tree giving out regular cackles. The animal approached quite near but kept concealed in the fern. Later I lit a fire at the nearby picnic spot to grill some chops and I picked up 2 empty 12g cartridge cases, from 00 buckshot rounds No doubt this was the reason the animal was reluctant to show itself. I have hunted with friend in that country with hounds. I have watched progress of animal in the fern and finally a dog has poked its head into view. I learned restraint many years ago and always identified what I was looking at before pulling the trigger. Lucky dog. I hope this gives a bit of insight into the ways of our 4 legged friends out there in the donga. TC Girl, I am afraid my mountain climbing came to a sudden end half way up Mt Wombat, NE Vic. Following a badly abscessed knee 40 years before my knee had been running dry and finally wore out and collapsed. (Knee replacement 6-7 years ago) The only way I could move was backwards, so loaded up with rifles and war bags dangling on my neck and foxhound tied to my belt. Friend put his arms around me for support and we made a slow descent backwards down that bloody mountain side. I wrote of this previously years ago and I still say that thank God no one saw us. Kind regards to all Wally
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Post by wally1 on Mar 27, 2008 9:32:19 GMT 10
just read through TC post fully.
Early this century I came by 2 juvenile bigcat carcasses. I still have the salted skins. When living at Parachilna a local station owner came to town to pass the time of day at the pub. He had a ute full of dogs which were most aggressive if anyone came near. Tear arms off and spit the bones back in ones face so to speak. I shoved one of these cat skins under their noses and there was an avalanche of dogs over the other side and owner was picking up dogs 10 miles away on the way home. A contract musterer camped under an athol tree near the pub and he had dogs. Bug rough pig and goat dogs. Sheep dogs cattle dogs and 2 litters of pups in baskets. He also had his own breeder and proginy. I got a length of drainage poly pipe and set it up, then started to bleat likke a goat. Out came the 2 goat dogs and approached with teeth out and hackles up. When they got near I clenched my fist and went bluurt in one end of the pipe and it came out the other end whoomp. The dogs bolted and got under the truck. When it came time to move on fellow had to crawl under the truck with ropes to drag the dogs out Nowdayys wwhen doing my morning stroll I carry a catskin and when aggresive dogs camme at the fence threatening to tear me to pieces, I give them a wiff of the skin and they tuck their tails and bolt for cover. Re the haunted hill, I have long ago said that these cats had supernatural powers, Of course since then I have debunked all this, it is incredible sensory powers, detect black cotton on dark night, Or have I. Nearly forgot, get into position on mountain side and give out a heavy deep grunt, If cat is around it will answer like same.
Wally
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Post by ian j on Mar 27, 2008 11:31:36 GMT 10
Hmm...
This is beginning to sound more and more like a novel each day!
I never thought the TC would have super-natural abilities!
I wonder how long until the announcement is made:
"Well, thanks guys for proof-reading my story. It'll be on the shelves by Christmas. If you mention this forum I'll give you a signed copy with a 10% discount..."
Yours (more and more) doubtfully,
Ian J.
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Post by Ian J on Mar 27, 2008 11:37:27 GMT 10
Oh, by the way Wally, I'm not doubting your recollections, I'm talking about this Singleton 'sighting'!
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Post by Placental Biped on Mar 27, 2008 11:44:58 GMT 10
I've noted that supernatural discussions are not welcome on this board, and I'll respect that. However, I too have experienced the distinct feeling that some places are not "right", and/or the sensation of being watched. I've visited places that have elicited such sensations (very rarely - maybe 2-3 times in my 36-year life) and I've chosen not to hang around. The speculation as to why this might be could be endless, from psychological factors to other, less so-called "scientific" reasons. I'll just say this (and nothing more on the subject so I don't break the rules).... I feel pretty certain from my own experiences that there is much more to this world than what we can see, feel and touch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2008 14:10:21 GMT 10
Well so much to discuss in this thread - where to begin.
Sound not carrying - there are a number of places where this happens it has more to do with the shape of the hills than the foliage or proximity to the caller. At the Science Museum they have a couple of satellite dishes if you stand at the right position a whisper in front of one can be heard at the other and but yell and it can only be heard at the other someone outside the dish area can hardly hear a thing. This often happens in gullies where someone down the gully will clearly hear all you say but someone on the edge will not hear anything.
Smells - Many predators have distinctive odours, hunters often detect foxes by the smell. I don't know of anything that smells like burnt wiring but if you smell something strange your brain might have trouble equating it to a known subject. Smell is the hardest sense to describe.
Psychic animals - This at first glance seems totally unscientific and ludicrous BUT; stare at the back of another person's head and they will turn around because they "sense" you looking at them - most of us have tried this experiment at sometime. This connection however does not seem to work across species most animals will wander around unaware while you sit out of sight and watch. When I followed a black critter for some time and watched, it sensed me and turned to look even though I was out of sight watching from behind an embankment.
I have also spoken to witnesses who reported feelings of "being watched" or feelings of uneasiness before sighting an animal. Others claim they have felt a "presence" or that the animal projected a malevolence toward them and it frightened them. I would not write off any reaction or behaviour until we know more about both the animals and psychic phenomena.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2008 19:37:42 GMT 10
l'm startin to think a little like lan j .....l did believe the story about your sighting TC Girl....but l'm now starting to doubt you ....l mean....how come you never mentioned any of this stuff at all in your other posts One would think that you would have mentioned it somewhere in your little saga....but no...nothing (l have actually read the Stephen King horror called PET CEMETERY and l gotta tell ya TC Girl...l think YOU HAVE TOO!!! SAME SCENARIO!!!)l'm getting a distinct feeling that you are a bit of an attention seeker who likes to write short stories But hey....thats just my opinion....lf l were you l would be staying away from Rs property for awhile.....it's obviously not agreeing with you Anyway....it was fun reading & good luck with your creative writing....a little advice....stay off the beer & try to get more sleep ;D lt's a proven fact that lack of sleep causes paranoia P.S Have you dug up any opals lately? Kaz xxx
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 19:59:53 GMT 10
Ok guys. I'm putting on my thick skin suit here. I was warned I'd cop quite a bit of flack over this. I've been waiting for it. It didn't come straight away did it? - but it's starting to come now. That's OK. I'm fine with it. Constructive criticism is needed. Very much so. I WANT you to pick me to pieces. That's the scientific way. I WANT people like you who have so much more experience with this stuff to pick apart everything I've said. I debated for 8 months on whether to "report" it on a web site or not. I waited so long because I knew that I'd be branded liar or hoaxer or whatever. I checked out numerous web sites with similar sightings (but nearly all of them also reported on "other things" which started to go way off from my sighting of a flesh and blood animal). So I picked this site to post on as you dealt mainly with sightings of actual animals in the bush. That's what I saw - an animal that came out of the bush. It was flesh and blood. Not a ghost. That's the first thing. Next ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2008 20:00:00 GMT 10
We speak to a lot of people with felid/tc? related video/photos/spoor casts etc..and the majority have no trouble giving normal names/locations etc via emails or pm etc. And often sending the material, which we greatly appreciate.!! Paradoxically..we have also found a correlation with people who have no evidence of any sort and their desire for secrecy.? Its a weird old game ..the cat/tc? game.. :DMike
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 20:24:48 GMT 10
Second, my first posting was only of the actual sighting. But I had more to add (as you can tell by the new thread about the feel of the place and the lack of animals and sightings). I did not add the rest until now because, as you can see, it starts to bring in other peoples' comments and feelings. It's starting to get more specific then isn't it? Referring to others that have been there or live there. But it was not specifically related to the actual sighting of mine so I had it all noted down and would post it later after I saw what reaction I got to the first post. After the positive reaction (thank you one and all again) I decided to then add the bits above to round out the whole story. That's the reason why I didn't put the later comments in the original post. Also it is going off on another tangent to the actual sighting. It's "sidelines" I thought. Although judging by some comments it's not "sidelines" at all. It IS related to the sighting. (To Wally - M asked me if I had your phone number - she thought we were all talking together on the phone as well as emailing - said she would like to speak to you on the phone. I will email you off-site about that. I think it's because you seem very much like our dearly loved mate A. Next ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2008 20:46:49 GMT 10
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 21:07:57 GMT 10
Mike, I hear you loudly. I appreciate what you've said. I've been VERY guarded up to now because I'm worried about things.
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 21:27:47 GMT 10
Yep Kaz. I've read King's Pet Cemetary. I've read a lot of books. But isn't that tale about Ancient American Indian burial grounds and people (and pets) who are buried there come back to life like zombies. Good tale. A mini-series was made too and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the book I'm afraid. (Movies are never as good as the book in my opinion). But Pet Cemetary is about supernatural zombie things. Maybe I missed the point of your post. How does that relate to my sighting. Not having a go Kaz - not at all. Welcome the criticism and it's interesting to see how other people view what I've said. I just think I may have just missed the point you were trying to make and that's MY fault OK - not having a go. There's NO ghosts up there. I'm talking about real animals. It wasn't a ghost. R's two sightings were not ghosts. They were real animals. The LAND has a spooky feel to it - not the TC/whatever. Next ...
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Post by james on Mar 27, 2008 21:55:53 GMT 10
Before I say anything, I probably should point out that this post isn't meant to have a go at anyone. But I was wondering how long it would take for this reported sighting to go all wrong. I mean where can the discussion like this head? There are those (and I suppose I am one of them) who really need something substantial to be convinced about the sighting (either photo etc or a number of excellent sightings - like down in Loch Sport!), and the likelihood of proof being produced of the existence of the animal appears to be nearly zero (even if it is out there). I feel sorry for anyone who does make a report of a sighting as the sighting is either going to be too vague, too detailed or its going to be from a location too near the local pub. I mean even Hans Naarding's sighting of the thylacine in the 80s ended up being discounted. I think Eric Guiler said that it was a 'waking dream' in his latest book.
Perhaps if Wally speaks with R or you are willing to give the name of the National Park (post it to Chris or Debbie or whoever rather than posting it on the forum if you want) this sighting can get back on track, but until then I'm worried your posts will continue to look like chapters from a novel (an entertaining novel I might add, TC Girl). I respect your reluctance to give details but we need something to work with, this is the "Quest for Thylacoleo" anyway, isn't it?
Anyway, regarding the spooky feeling on R's property and the lack of animals, it makes no sense to me. No predator wants to be so damn scary that it scares off all its prey.
Cheers
James
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Post by mingle on Mar 27, 2008 22:00:30 GMT 10
James, my good man, you've hit the nail on the head...
I agree with all of the points you've made...
The investigation of this sighting could take a turn for the better if we could get some more info (behind the scenes to the moderators, etc) and get out into the field...
Perhaps, TC Girl, you could go "off the air" for a while and perhaps chat to Wally and some of the others who would be more than willing to be discrete and helpful at the same time...
Cheers,
Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2008 22:34:49 GMT 10
Well I don't have a spare grand to match Mingles offer, but I will offer a slab of Cascade Lager to anyone who can provide positive proof that TC Girls testimony is a hoax. Unsupported accusations of creative writing and speculative musings about imaginary scenarios don't count as positive proof. Line up over here....
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 22:47:27 GMT 10
Next ... I typed R's two sightings from memory - remembering from what she told me later that day (my sighting day) and we talked the next week solid about it (last year she told me). It's 8 months old "memory". I wanted her to tell me again in her own words last Monday and I would type it just as she said it on her computer. We couldn't do that. There were other people around and she ended up getting cranky with me when we went into the territory of possible "consequences" of what she wants to do with the land. (Hell, I had to bring that up didn't I? Things were going OK until I brought that up - but I'm fair in an argument and will bring up both sides.) So, this issue came up and we had a big fight over it. Others started to listen in because we started to raise our voices. We were in a restaurant at the time for lunch (no alcohol - sober - R doesn't drink anyway). I was frustrated, animated and excited. She just wanted me to shut the hell up. (and I couldn't, could I? I kept pushing - she kept getting angrier.) Her guy was sitting opposite us. Obviously, he didn't know anything about it. He's never been up there. I started to wonder if he knew she even had the land. He was pretty cool but I noticed his eyebrows shot up when I mentioned the land. He's the "new guy" OK. (Not a bushie in any way.) Getting the feel of how this is going? I guess he doesn't know half (or most) of what we have got up to over the years. He gave both of us weird looks the whole time and (surmised?) we were talking about quolls or something. R finally just shot at him: "Ok, I admit it - we've seen some really weird things up there, OK? - she (pointing at me) thinks they are rare and all development should stop and now wants to bring other ****ing people in". I just got yet another weird look from her other half. Who (by the way - get this!) happens to head a council department (not here - but way up north, in waste management but has been in environmental departments before in council) and he then just does the big "crunch" with like: "Well, if I'm getting this right - you (points to me) saw a rare animal and you (points to R) are going to have major problems with council, DPI, [mentioned other departments] - over it. They'll stop your DA for sure until they check it out. You'll end up in the environmental court." I could have killed him. That was the about the end of it because R then said "I know - I've been fighting the s***s for years over other crap and this will kill it" (she's talking about the DA being killed.) DA = development application for any who don't know what I'm talking about. She then turned on me and said (very angrily) "I can't believe you ****ing brought this up right now". Heads were really turning at this stage because we were getting LOUD. I admit I was way out of line but we were running out of time. Only had a short time with her (couple of hours) and had to broach the subject. I (wrongly) assumed her partner knew about it all. The S hit the fan big time. I'm embarrassed at the way I handled it. I could have handled it a lot better. I really shot myself in the foot with all this because I now have R (and her partner) off-side about it. I know this sounds bad but I'm almost wishing she would break up with him so we can get back to "it". Yeah - sounds bad I know. It looks even worse in type. So, does that make me a s*** of a best friend - I guess it does - it does, because I'm still talking about it here, aren't I? I'm going to take this further - but in whatever way I can without compromising R's wishes. I will now do a couple of emails to certain people on this site (which I've half drafted up already and I know who I want to go into this further with - and thanks to [won't put the name here] for suggesting who I should contact initially in a private email - yes, that person was top of the list) and I'll talk about it more with them ... I think I will have to take any further details off-board now (except for general comments/replies of course). I know what I saw up there (& obviously many others know it too) and I'll be damned if I'm going to let it rest. If it can be "proved" (& I cetainly believe it can be) then it will blow the lid open on a big can of worms. And ... that's what's worrying me so much.
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 27, 2008 23:01:09 GMT 10
Ok ... I've seen the last new posts. I agree with you all. I'm going off-line to discuss any further details. I have no photos. I only saw it with my own eyes. I WANT photos. I want photos so bad it hurts. I left the stupid camera on the seat. I still can't believe I did that! If we never see TT again I will kick myself until the day I die about that stupid camera on the stupid back seat. I had a damned CAMERA with me - can you believe it?! I just read over what I said - OK - I'm the "stupid" one - not the camera or the back seat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 1:05:23 GMT 10
RE::::Yep Kaz. I've read King's Pet Cemetary. I've read a lot of books. But isn't that tale about Ancient American Indian burial grounds and people (and pets) who are buried there come back to life like zombies. Good tale. A mini-series was made too and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the book I'm afraid. (Movies are never as good as the book in my opinion). But Pet Cemetary is about supernatural zombie things. Maybe I missed the point of your post. How does that relate to my sighting. Not having a go Kaz - not at all. Welcome the criticism and it's interesting to see how other people view what I've said. I just think I may have just missed the point you were trying to make and that's MY fault OK - not having a go. There's NO ghosts up there. I'm talking about real animals. It wasn't a ghost. R's two sightings were not ghosts. They were real animals. The LAND has a spooky feel to it - not the TC/whatever. Next ... You know exactly what l was referring to when l mentioned PET CEMETERY!!! AND ANYONE WHO HAS READ THE BOOK KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I AM REFERRING TO!! NOT THE INDIANS!! NOT THE ZOMBIES!!!AND CERTAINLY NOT GHOSTS!! SO DON'T TRY & THROW OFF!! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DEADLY SILENCE!! YOU YELLING WITH R ONLY FEET AWAY ETC!!!(not saying these things dont happen but you seem to have experienced it ALL...a little bit sus to say the least!!) The thing that finally turned me off you was the fact that you are a rambler....therefore you tell every little detail of everything that is going on around you & in your head at the time of writing your posts....for example....What absolute wonder dogs R owns....if we were to believe you those same dogs would be sitting final exams at R.M.I.T...MY GOD GIRL...I THINK I JUST VOTED FOR THE BLACK & BROWN ONE IN THE LOCAL ELECTION!!how many beers you drank....when your mother rang....how you were feeling at that exact moment....I'M SURPRISED YOU NEVER LOOKED DOWN & TOLD US WHAT COLOR THE CARPET WAS!!! But during all your other posts YOU NEVER even gave an inkling to all this new stuff you are now posting!!!AND BY THE WAY....IT DOES'NT RELATE TO YOUR SIGHTING!!! YOU ARE NOW GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED TC!!! IT RELATES TO THIS POST YOU HAVE OPENED HERE & THIS POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SIGHTING....IT IS ABOUT SPOOKY BUSH,NO ANIMALS & TIMID DOGS!!....THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT YOUR SIGHTING!!! OR IS IT??? PLEASE LET US KNOW SO WE CAN THEN GET A GRIP ON WHATS HAPPENING HERE!!(because obviously you hav'nt : NO....YOU HAV'NT MISSED THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE TC YOU ARE ARE JUST TRYING TO BURY IT WITH COW DUNG......AND PLEASE TC.....B4 YOU TAKE WALLY RUNNING OFF INTO THE SUNSET CAN YOU PLEASE(lm begging you)MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS CLEAN UNDERWEAR & HIS CATSKIN TUCKED UNDER HIS ARM TO WARD OFF ANY DOG ATTACKS......BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY HE DOES'NT DESERVED TO BE DUPED....HE'S A GENUINE BLOKE SEARCHING FOR THE THE TRUTH & IN MY OPINION YOU WOULD BE HARD UP GIVING IT TO HIM.....THERE ARE GENUINE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM & I DONT THINK YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!! P.S...YOU SPELLED CEMETARY WRONG....IT'S CEMETERY!! IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A CREATIVE WRITER GET YOUR SPELLING RIGHT!!! WHOOP'S!!! GOTTA RUN.....MY BUNYIP JUST BIT THE NEIGHBOR!!! Kaz xxx
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 28, 2008 1:12:19 GMT 10
My "half-butted theories" on my second post. For what the are worth. Feel free to pick them to pieces The "spooky feeling on the land". I truly believe it comes from there really is something nasty out there. The kind of nasty that will attack you. Maybe it's a left-over (from cave-man days) "primal feeling" we get out there - something about predators and the in-built (I guess we must still have it) need for self-preservation. We "feel something" close by that we "feel" can attack us badly and that makes us "spooked". It's a sub-conscious thing I guess. "Being watched" - I think the thing is actually near-by watching us and we "sense" it. (Back again to those cave-man left-over traits we must still have in our brains.) My little moggie can make me wake up at any hour by sitting on the opposite side of the room (in the pitch black) and just staring at me until I "sense something" and wake up. Doesn't matter the hour or how deep a sleep I'm in. My dog can do it too (but no way as well at the cat - the cat can do it sitting in the lounge room and looking through the bedroom door at me - from a distance). You are just aware of "something" and wake up with a jolt and look right in the direction he’s in. You can't see him but then your eyes adjust and there he is - right where you are looking. Not moving, sitting and staring at you in the dark. I don't know why he does it. Maybe he's bored and wants me to wake up to play. It can be at any hour. There's no pattern to it. It’s sort of the same thing. “Being watched”. "No animals" - I think I've worked it out - it/they have eaten most of them, hasn't it? That’s what I think. "Silent bush" - Same as above for "no animals" - but whatever is there goes quiet because they also sense this thing. (I think Wally already brought this up.) Would that also apply to birds? It surely can’t get at birds? They are way up in the trees for Lord’s sake! “Cows missing” – it can get a cow – cows go all through that bush – otherwise it’s feral dogs of course. Could still be feral dogs. I’m not discounting feral dogs for the stock losses. I’ve never seen feral dogs up there though and the neighbour said that weird comment “ya don’t see dogs”. Actually, at the time I thought he may have been referring to “people” taking cows. You know like “cattle rustling”. Yeah – I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed! "Can't hear people yelling" - yep - what you say makes sense to me - the three of us were right at the top - C & I sitting on the ledge edge - the top of the rocks there - R walked off slightly across then some way down and across from us - that would explain her not hearing us yelling. I've studied the google satellite map now of where we were and I can see the rocky bit where C & I were waiting and the terrain where R walked off to. Yep, she went up for a short way and then DOWN (below us) and then she must have turned around and came back the same way towards us and didn't hear anything until we collided. (We were on different "levels" - yes, there's a big drop off/valley right where we were walking towards each other - our yelling must have been going over her head. Makes sense.) "The carcass smell" very close by but finding no carcass - it just hit me (reading about things in trees) - she wouldn't have looked UP would she? Who would? Could it have dragged a possum or something up a tree near her? The animal I saw could have climbed a tree trunk but due to it's size I doubt it would have done much more once it got up to the bottom branch of a tree. Too big to be cavorting around tree tops as I saw mentioned somewhere else. It's just too big and heavy. But I'd bet it could climb a tree trunk. Hell - we never look UP - we look AROUND us - ground level! I didn't think about trees. “The electrical wiring burning out smell” – I said to R when she told me: “Yeah – it probably p***ed on you”. (She wasn’t impressed by my theory either.) But, my cat was undesexed until 12 months (an injured stray I found living in my shed) and for the first few weeks (until he was well enough to have the “op”) his pee smell was a shocker. I nearly gagged every time I opened the front door and tray cleaning was the first thing I did when I came home from work. We all know what tom cat pee smells like but locked in a hot, stuffy, little miner’s cottage all day in a tray, it was horrendous. It had a very heavy, piercing smell. But not “hot electrical”. But, I wonder if a bigger animal could produce pee that smelled like “hot electrical burnt out wiring”. Ok, I really reckon it was “pee”. I think she startled it and it pee’d or sprayed or something and that’s what she smelt. “The bones near the ravine” – I don’t need to really expand on this. Obviously, something eats other animals in that area and leaves the bones there. Yes, it could still be feral dogs. I’m not discounting the dog factor, especially if the council (is it? or is it the NP people? don’t know) apparently did baiting up there because of stock losses (well, that’s what he said – “they” – whoever “they” are – NP people or council I imagine – who does feral dog baiting?). I’ve not had any experience with feral dogs so know nothing about it. I’ve seen dingos on Fraser Island (quite tame they were – came right up to the Cruiser on the beach – we didn’t get out of course – I’ve got photos of THEM! – I think they wanted us to throw them food out of the 4WD) but I’ve never seen a feral dog in the bush. Seen feral cats (but never on R’s property) – little tabby ones – they are not very big at all actually - any feral cats I’ve ever seen are smaller than my house cat – he’s 6kg – they were much smaller (maybe 4-4.5kg max) and always looked a bit “scraggly”. I felt sorry for them. I’ve never seen BIG feral cats nor has anyone I know. Ok – but I’ve not seen feral (domestic type) dogs – anywhere. But of course they could be up there. Actually, flicking back to this, the more I read on these posts here the more I realise that I don’t know as much about “the bush” as I used to think I did. I just stumbled unwittingly into all this didn’t I? I'm probably way out of my depth I fear. Anyway, that's it for my half-baked theories on what happens up there. But I MUST stress - there are no GHOSTS up there - I hope my earlier post didn't read like I meant to suggest there were ghostie things - no - I'm just saying how the place feels spooky and unnerving, and what people comment when up there and the way dogs behave. That's all. There's NO ghostie things up there at all. PS - Stephen King writes WAY better than I'd ever dream to
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 28, 2008 1:35:30 GMT 10
Whoah Kaz - just saw your post - didn't mean to upset you. My apologies. OK - this is really getting out of hand now isn't it. OK - sorry if I've peeved people here. I obviously have. Well, I was warned it would happen, so just have to take it on the chin. I wouldn't dream of dragging Wally off on a wild goose chase. Yep, you are right. It's "cemetery" - I didn't spell check did I? I swear that book was about people and pets being brought back from the dead and had something to do with the Indian land they were buried on. Well - now I'm going to have to get it out again and read it again because I'm obviously thinking about the wrong book. Oh - Ok - re-read your post - the silence you are referring to - actually I don't remember that part - King probably has "silence" in all of his books wouldn't he I hope we are talking about the same book! The dogs are just normal dogs. Nothing special. I have packed into these two posts nearly 10 years of stuff happening up there - of couse there's going to be a lot of detail. This didn't all happen on the day I saw TT. Except the "yelling" bit - that was the same day. The rest happened in all the years leading up to that day - there's a decade's worth of stuff there - not just one day. If that all happened in one day I'd be dead from a stroke or something
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Post by mingle on Mar 28, 2008 1:44:28 GMT 10
It's actually "Pet Sematary" (the old U.S. spelling)...
Just being picky! :-)
Mike.
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Post by TC Girl on Mar 28, 2008 1:54:06 GMT 10
"Sematary" - Thanks Mike. Glad that's cleared up. That's how they spell it in the US? - OK. I'm taking the suggestion and contacting someone off-line before I open my mouth any further. Thanks for that. Cheers.
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Post by mingle on Mar 28, 2008 1:58:06 GMT 10
Hey TC Girl - get some sleep, it's 3:00am!
I'm up feeding babies, so I have a good excuse! :-)
Cheers,
Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 2:11:01 GMT 10
Thanks Mike....l stand corrected.....but yes....you are being picky....Cemetery will stand strong in modern english...or we could try LATIN maybe??? HAPPY BABY FEEDING ;D Kaz xxx
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 8:17:16 GMT 10
Gee what a bun fight, but the answer is in all this - If R has a DA for the land she needs to have someone do an environmental survey. We can recommend some experts in the field, I would suggest that mob who found the bobucks in Gippsland they have plenty of experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 8:52:03 GMT 10
I WANT photos. I want photos so bad it hurts. We know the feeling! Peter Wright spent $250,000 trying to get The Photo of a thylacine in Tassie a few years ago and had to give it away when he ran out of money. It's easy to get a bit carried away with this stuff.. There are a couple of interesting and relevant observations at www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cougar-ks/ today. I've heard it said before that “When you are in mountain lion country you’re lucky to see one or two in your life" Seems to apply to certain of our critters as well. And "For about 15 years, Bob Wilson of Garden City has scoured the western half of Kansas placing infrared cameras in areas where big cats have been reported, using road-kill deer for bait. He said after “countless” camera placements, “I got a number of very interesting bobcat shots, tons of coyotes and deer, but as for mountain lions… zero.” So - you want photos? The most important thing you'll probably need is patience
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Post by wally1 on Mar 28, 2008 9:15:26 GMT 10
Wally is an octogenarian bushie who has spent all his life in the bush, nothing gets at him. TC Girl, have a break. we have a full quota of psychos on the banned list, keep this up and you will go around the twist. You are in the state where you just have to talk about your experience, I am a patient listener who can dispense wisdom accumulated during that into time on lifespan. For your own sake drop me a line, you have my email, we can discuss restraint, otherwise the kooks will home in on you and the chopper will drop. QFT is no stranger to this sort of thing, and Debbie can swing a mean axe. Otherwise kind regards to all Wally
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