London Zoo Archives

[seth24]

getting off the subject of asylym seekers, and the other stuff. Interesting episode on the BBC programme flog it, which was filmed at the london zoo, in which some thylacine photo's
come to light. This photo attached was taken in 1926, a female which eventually died in 1931. Apparently she was one of 20 specimens exhibited at the zoo, and the last exhibited anywhere,
outside australia worldwide. Another picture of a thylacine
"cowering" in the corner of a pen, over a drinking trough.
This picture was taken a lot earlier in 1864 by a Frank Hayes.
Apparently the way they got to keep the tiger to stay still long enough for a photograph, was to chase the tiger around the pen,until the animal was completely exhausted, as in the case of this particular photo showing the poor animal slumped over its
drinking trough, or what appears to be a trough. Have looked for that particular photo, but have found an image of it on a you tube clip under london zoo photograph archives ;D

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[molloch]

Hi Seth,

Thought this deserved it's own thread, so created one for you. Cheers

[seth24]

thanks molloch, still learning. With that about the thylacine
being driven to exhaustion in order to capture a still photograph, i would think there was not much respect shown for this animal.
even in captivity overseas.No respect shown for it in its native
tasmania, so it was an animal that was certainly doomed to be an outcast, and its only use being for an exhibit and monetary gain in those earlier years.

[youcantry]

Interesting anecdote about driving it to exhaustion to get the photo.

[molloch]

The Thylacine from London zoo was a female, it was trapped at Tyenna (not far from where "Benjamin" was trapped) by Arthur Murray in 1925 and sold via the Beaumaris Zoo to London Zoo. She was sold as a pair, but the male died en route.

Her head is apparently still at Oxford University museum, in a (various) jar(s) of alcohol. No record of the rest of her, which was sent to Nat Hist Museum in Canada. No record of what happened to the male.

I don't have a copy of the photo you are describing.

[seth24]

here's that video clip of the london zoo archives,narrated by
John edwards. that particular photo of the exhausted thylacine
is on it. hopefully will send through alright. if not go to you tube
type in london zoo photography, and clip should come up. runs for about 6 and half minutes. cheers ;D

[devildog]

Here's a still from the you tube clip, showing the poor exhausted Thyalcine!

Cheers

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[seth24]

good one devil dog, you have to feel for the poor animal, as
i don't think it had a long life expectancy

[molloch]

Thanks. That is a photo I haven't seen before.

edit:

Funny how things work out. Not 2 minutes after posting this, I was looking up something unrelated and the first thing to pop up is this:

s1170.beta.photobucket.com/user/revotisThartmannIII/media/rarephoto.jpg.html

There is also a link to this image, which looked slightly familiar... I deleted it from my post because I thought I had seen it posted here before. But anyone want to guess it's context:

[seth24]

:)that photo molloch, i had a look at it, and underneath the actual photo is the heading indonesian zoo animals, i don't know whether you picked it up. could that mean there could have been
thylacine specimens taken to indonesian zoos as well. Or could it be an actual photo taken from an indonesian newspaper etc.

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[seth24]

also attached one of the other photos under beutelwolf, could this be the same animal, as in the london zoo, or a later photo
taken in a german zoo. noting a similar "water trough" in the
corner of the pen

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[rayharvey271]

i would class that as a colour photo ,u know what i mean. there is no colour photos of thys . its could b the best fake ever or they have found one in irian java even the charactertics aint quite like the austraian species.normally molloch more on the ball.dont let the side down . and if im wrong i will apologized molloch to u.

[seth24]

Could be ray,either a good fake, or there's a chance they actually caught one. As i think it was ned terry who went on trek
into the highlands of irian java, after local natives descibed an
animal in the mountains that had a large head with stripes. this was enough to get ned terry excited to warrant a trip. If this is the case that possibly one has turned up, you would think the
thylacines in that part of the world would have different characteristics, whether that be in colour, size or in body structure, as to the tasmanian thylacine we know. As we know that the australian mainland thylacine was considered a much smaller animal than the tasmanian thylacine. The ears seem to be pointed more, and the legs seem to be rather thick in structure. Have attached a picture of a fossa, which does have similarities. The stripes on the animal seem pretty rigidy didge.
what would molloch's and chris's thoughts be. With the colour in the photo, photo's can be colourised, there seems to be colouring in the background ;D

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[tygeresque]

back foot pad is not thyla

front legs look too thick and short for thylas

[Thylacoleo Gal]

Feb 25, 2013 12:31:53 GMT 10 youcantry said:

Interesting anecdote about driving it to exhaustion to get the photo.

Interesting? It's awful. Utterly awful.

[Thylacoleo Gal]

Feb 26, 2013 17:46:38 GMT 10 seth24 said:

:)that photo molloch, i had a look at it, and underneath the actual photo is the heading indonesian zoo animals, i don't know whether you picked it up. could that mean there could have been
thylacine specimens taken to indonesian zoos as well. Or could it be an actual photo taken from an indonesian newspaper etc.

That animal looks in good condition, unlike the poor emaciated victim in the Hobart "Zoo". If the beast was in Indonesian hands, I wonder if it's possible it may have been captured in Wet Papua?

[Thylacoleo Gal]

Feb 26, 2013 22:20:36 GMT 10 seth24 said:

Could be ray,either a good fake, or there's a chance they actually caught one. As i think it was ned terry who went on trek
into the highlands of irian java, after local natives descibed an
animal in the mountains that had a large head with stripes. this was enough to get ned terry excited to warrant a trip. If this is the case that possibly one has turned up, you would think the
thylacines in that part of the world would have different characteristics, whether that be in colour, size or in body structure, as to the tasmanian thylacine we know. As we know that the australian mainland thylacine was considered a much smaller animal than the tasmanian thylacine. The ears seem to be pointed more, and the legs seem to be rather thick in structure. Have attached a picture of a fossa, which does have similarities. The stripes on the animal seem pretty rigidy didge.
what would molloch's and chris's thoughts be. With the colour in the photo, photo's can be colourised, there seems to be colouring in the background ;D

Strong points, Seth. This putative Indo animal does look different, somehow, from what we can see of Tasmanian specimens.

Anyone able to track down more info about the image, especially its provenance? There's nothing in the metas except its tech specs and that it was processed in Adobe.

[lurcherman]

Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but I've google imaged Fossa. Seen this?

farm3.staticflickr.com/2206/1572859722_5dd07838ee_z.jpg?zz=1

[molloch]

Oh dear, sorry. I should have been a little more obvious that I thought the image was faked. It actually had me for a minute, but as pointed out the feet were completely wrong, and the colouring was too good for a retouched image. It is a good fake though, and shows how wary we need to be of photos, even nice clear ones like this.

I thought I remembered a photo like this in the previous thread about Fossa, but I couldn't find it on searching. The image looked so familiar, because I had seen the photo Lurcherman has linked to, before.

I sincerely apologise for leading the thread astray. Sorry.

[seth24]

good investigation lurchman, a tricked up fossa, although the photo has been done extremerly well, the picture being to clear and as it turns out a coloured photo. the stripes were well done. It just goes to show that pictures cannot be taken to seriously in what they show. ;D

[Thylacoleo Gal]

I'll say! Excellent work, Lurch. It took me in completely - which shows what I know.

It's great that we have so many Questers with expert knowledge and sleuthing skills.

[molloch]

OK, this time it is a bit more obvious!!

[rayharvey271]

hard to pull the wool over my eyes.a front shoot of a young thy ears b more round and cauiflower like , eyes were wrong...and.front feet a more arboreal animal.(fossa) and the clarity of that photo, was not around in 1930s.i can point out a few more things as well. or should i stop now.

[rayharvey271]

this is a thy track side view,tyger would you like to tell them why.

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[lurcherman]

Thanks for the plaudits people, the picture took me in too. The touching up was most excellently done.

[exoldrover]

The fossa photo was mocked up by a poster on the zoo chat website;

www.zoochat.com/25/new-thylacine-photo-9563/

And here's the Haes photo;
s1170.photobucket.com/albums/r536/revotisThartmannIII/?action=view¤t=rarephoto.jpg

[youcantry]

Wow.. Didn't realise how much had gone on in this thread!

There are fossas in at least one zoo in Indonesia - Stephen Fleay told me they're his favourite animal there

[youcantry]

PS - it's not just the stripes that were modified, but the shape of the ear tips too.