Thylacoleo Artist impression

[sfrrob]

Hi guys, I am posting this sketch on behalf of BUSHCAT-
I noticed that there are so many different theories on how this animal looks/looked like but I think this is pretty close to what I think it would/does look like.





Has anyone actually claimed to have seen a LIVE Thylacoleo, if so...... how did they describe the animal?
It would be nice to have a solid decription of what the creature actually looks like!

What are your opinions- please discuss?

[dennisw]

I have posted a number of times describing the critter that I saw and which prompted me to find this site. When first seen from a distance it looked like a panther shiny black and about 1m tall, I followed it for a long time and it wasn't until I was up close and looking through the 'scope on my rifle that I realised that it was not a cat; pure marsupial like and overgrown possum or a tree kangaroo. I even published a booklet describing my own and several other experiences and sightings.

Unfortunately there is a lot of rubbish posted about it and there is possibly some variation in colour/markings most people don't believe it exists and blogs like the following don't really help;

m.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/blogs/blunt-instrument/drop-bear-complacency-a-danger-to-us-all-20120125-1qh6p.html

[sfrrob]

Hi Dennis, I am new these forums and to the idea of Thylacoleo still being about, alive and well...... on the other hand I have no doubt that Thylacine is still around, along with "Big Feral Cats"

I took a few minutes out just now and played around with the Rita's Critter image that's floating about on the net.
With enhancing the image, using some blurring and color inverting techniques, I managed to see a lot more than I could without the changes. I then traced around the features that I could make out clearly, I have no idea what the rear quarters of this animal should look like so I didn't even bother guessing- adding to the hundreds of bizarre looking renditions of Thylacoleo that are out there on the net.
As you can see, the outlines really do make out a marsupial looking creature, and not like a lion/cat that I have seen around.
you'll notice the position of the eye is a lot higher in my version, the eye is clearly visible once enhanced.



Dennis, I haven't heard about your booklet, or your sighting of that strange animal you saw, I would love to know more, you can PM me links etc.

Cheers

Rob

[rayharvey271]

aboriginal artwork of the wollemi tiger,pinchgut creek

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[Thylacoleo Gal]

Jan 28, 2012 12:00:03 GMT 10 rayharvey271 said:

aboriginal artwork of the wollemi tiger,pinchgut creek

That's a curious one, Ray. There some odd engravings something like it in the Flinders Ranges.

[Thylacoleo Gal]

Jan 27, 2012 15:24:51 GMT 10 sfrrob said:

I took a few minutes out just now and played around with the Rita's Critter image that's floating about on the net... cut ..
As you can see, the outlines really do make out a marsupial looking creature, and not like a lion/cat that I have seen around.

Hi Rob. Yep, in my mind there's no doubt whatsoever that Rilla's Critter is some kind of marsupial. I used to assume it may have been a Thylacine but now I no longer think that's the case. Jeff Johnson can probably answer your questions much better than me as he's done extensive work on the photograph. There some notes on Rilla's animal and Jeff's reconstructions as well as other stuff in the archives section -->

www.thylacoleo.com/links_archives.php

All ancient history now.

[JeffJ]

Ancient might describe me these days, lol. Thanks Wally for bringing this subject up. And thanks Rob, I like your outline suggestion for the creature. Too bad the bottom of the legs are hidden by a dip in the ground.

As far as I am concerned, the subject in the photo looks very much like the animal in the cave painting discovered by Tim Willing. And, as anyone who knows me would tell you, I think it is a marsupial "lion" of sorts. Exceedingly muscular, with a squat powerful head (Rilla's description), it seems obvious that the front of the critter is the "business" end. It was noted by Rilla that the rear of the animal was slight compared to the other half. So we have a heavily striped mystery marsupial with rippling muscles and a head like a bolt cutter...what else COULD it be?

Someone suggested to me that it could be some sort of monster "devil", which I find intriguing . But when it comes down to it, I am betting on diprotodont as opposed to dasyurid.

To me, the beast looks just like a reconstruction of thylacoleo. Long ago when I first viewed fossil remains of TC, I had an image in my mind of what the animal looked like when alive. When I saw Rilla's photo, it pretty much matched that image.

It's one of those photos that is an embarrassment to established science. It is real, it's right there for the world to see, yet no one knows just what the hell it is. Because it is so difficult to identify, it has become easier to just ignore or ridicule the image.

Of note: the most modern artistic interpretations of thylacoleo(since the discovery of the full skeleton) tend to mirror the creature in the photo. Nat Geo's programs like "death of the megabeasts" and similar shows feature thylacoleos that are quite reminiscent of Rilla's critter, at least in my eye. A fairly recent painting by Peter Shouten of TC also has the same "flavor". Anyway, my two cents....

[sfrrob]

Thanks for the link Debbie, interesting read indeed.

[greatdane]

...and don´t forget to search the board for "Rilla´s Critter" and "Thylacoleo" for further inspiration

[greatdane]

Jan 28, 2012 13:19:11 GMT 10 Thylacoleo Gal said:

Jan 28, 2012 12:00:03 GMT 10 rayharvey271 said:

aboriginal artwork of the wollemi tiger,pinchgut creek

That's a curious one, Ray. There some odd engravings something like it in the Flinders Ranges.

Please note that the striping seems to extend to the neck area - ring any bells?

Edit to correct typo

[Deleted]

Shortly i will send image of fulll length animal less the obscured parts to Sfrrob for posting.
. The off side front foot is clearly seen and it is massive.
I worked in conjunction with Jeff,, how many years ago to produce these enlarged images from Jeffs enhanced images and compared it with the artist impression.
I also have pic of predated beast that was attributed to TC.

Regards BC

[sfrrob]

Here is that picture Bushcat.


I am still undecided on the front foot, it looks much too short to me.
In my opinion, I think the foot extends down behind that tree that is laying on the ground in front of the animal like in my outline suggestion, but I could be completely wrong, which is more than likely

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Have a look at the right front leg of the animal, you can see the "hand" with the thick claw on the "thumb"

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[sfrrob]

Personally, I think the front foot extends down and out of sight further behind the fallen tree like in my outline I posted. You can see how out of proportion the animal would be if its legs were that short and stumpy. And the angle and shape both look wrong to me when comparing it to the bones that were discovered in W.A.
Apparently someone here has actually seen what they claim to be Thylacoleo, hopefully they can put their 2cents worth in to the mix.
By the way, apparently there is a better photograph at a library somewhere, why the heck it hasn't been scanned and uploaded is beyond me?!

[dennisw]

The average camera in those days was a pretty basic affair and film was not great resolution which is why if you dig through old pix you will find them small by todays standards. High quality cameras and high definition film (even colour) were available from the 1930s but most people just had a Box Brownie because that was all they could afford. I purchased a camera for about £150/0/0 way back when and it was a lot of money because a new car cost from about £750/0/0 in those days. I think from memory the average wage was only about £10/0/0 then and I always reckoned if I could get my income up to £30/0/0 ($60) per week I would be set for life.

[seth24]

daran this picture you posted gives a fairly good outline of
the animal especially head, body etc hind quarters though
are hidden by the bush which is a pity. i will agree that the front
legs extend down behind the log. can we make an artist impression of what the hind legs would look like judging by the gate of the animal. using computor technology, as iam not that advanced in computor wizardry.

[Deleted]

The right front leg is raised and elbow tucked back giving the appearance of a fore shortened leg.
BC

[rayharvey271]

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[seth24]

;)at least with the rilla creature we can see nearly all of the animal, although it is made up of different animal parts.
" the rilla creature, an animal with a coat of many colours".
unlike the cameron photo"whole animal without head"

[mingle]

One section of the photo has niggled me ever since I first saw it.

To me, it looks like part of the negative (highlighted) has been masked off and manipulated in some way:



Parts of the 'masked' section appear to be brighter than the surrounding regions but do seem to show a continuation of the image, but others look like they've been changed. I'm still to closely examine the entire picture, but this section stands out the most.

I'm no expert, but I can say that I don't think there's any way this is caused by shutter-bounce or any other in-camera aberration. It's clearly been done after the negative was exposed.

But why? Was it done to cover something up?

Curiouser and curioser!

C'mon Chris - when's this new image going to appear? :-)

Cheers,

Mike.

[seth24]

I like it to mingle. hopefully chris can get that clearer
picture. interesting that it seems the animal has no hind legs,
although there seems to be a leg-like image running horizontal
with the tail. the front legs don't match the rear (image) if the
animal is in a walking gate. either way the picture has been
manipulated in some way. it could be a picture that has had a
"frankenstein" transformation. could be wrong. ;D

[seth24]

how greedy can the tasmanian govt and forestry tasmania
get, with the absolute devastation of tasmanian forests. the
cutting down of those magnificent age old trees, for a quick buck.
the long term effects on the enviroment, fauna and native
species is going to be disastrous. iam not a greeny, but if this
is allowed to continue, i could be easily be converted. i think as
human beings we must protect what we have got now before its too late, WAKE UP . money, power, profit the root of all evil. ;D