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Post by vincent on Jan 15, 2021 5:54:51 GMT 10
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Post by Ian Thomas on Jan 15, 2021 21:10:35 GMT 10
Shows bacon's been on the menu for a long time ... 45,0000 years or maybe more. @dennis: what's the rabbinical word on prehistoric pork? Would it still be non-kosher even if before Judaism appeared? đ  |
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Post by vincent on Jan 15, 2021 23:06:42 GMT 10
Everything was on the menu before God gave Moses the dietary laws.
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Post by dennisw on Jan 16, 2021 11:09:24 GMT 10
Everything was on the menu before God gave Moses the dietary laws. There were no Jews either until God handed down the law at Mt Sinai |
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Post by Ian Thomas on Jan 16, 2021 12:32:22 GMT 10
Everything was on the menu before God gave Moses the dietary laws. Good answers, gentlemen. As they used to say in the highlands of New Guinea and as rumours say they still do, sometimes: " Put'im in pot."  |
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Post by vincent on Jan 17, 2021 1:35:40 GMT 10
There were no Jews either until God handed down the law at Mt Sinai They weren't Jews at that time. They were Israelites. Jews didn't come to represent all of the remnant of Israel until the ten tribes split from Judah and Benjamin, and a remnant from each of those ten tribes migrated to Judah. 2 Chronicles 11:13-16 13 The priests and Levites from all their districts throughout Israel sided with him. 14 The Levites even abandoned their pasturelands and property and came to Judah and Jerusalem, because Jeroboam and his sons had rejected them as priests of the Lord 15 when he appointed his own priests for the high places and for the goat and calf idols he had made. 16 Those from every tribe of Israel who set their hearts on seeking the Lord, the God of Israel, followed the Levites to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices to the Lord, the God of their ancestors. |
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Post by dennisw on Jan 17, 2021 9:31:26 GMT 10
The division among the tribes was because so many turned away from the Almighty despite the history and the actual witnessed miracles and just as was foretold turning away from the Creator leads to destruction. The same thing is happening to much of the world today. B'nai Israel (the children of Israel) are all those descended from Jacob and even though the evidence was seen by the ancestors the people still turned away and were seduced by false claims just as today two thirds of the Earth's population consider the Bible a myth or fiction.
Even when enslaved in Egypt many preferred to stay where they had homes and work and settled for serving Pharaoh rather than follow Moses into the desert to serve God. Among those who had seen the miracle of the Red Sea many turned back to idol worship quickly and made a golden calf, mankind is deluded and many follow all manner of idols today is it any wonder the world is in a bigger mess than ever.
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Post by dennisw on Jan 17, 2021 9:33:25 GMT 10
Judea was just Canaan until conquered and settled by B'nai Israel.
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Post by Ian Thomas on Jan 17, 2021 10:07:56 GMT 10
The Old Testament encodes some interesting & complex history, now doubt about that. I've always thought it curious the shared content between Judaism & American fundamentalist Protestantism. Even U.S. forces seem to encourage tub thumpin', sock-it-to'em singalongs ... Nothing wrong with that, of course. If it bonds the troops, it's useful - and that, by definition, means it's good. đ Never heard of religious/nationalistic song sessions being allowed in our 'woke' ADF, though.  |
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Post by vincent on Jan 17, 2021 15:25:08 GMT 10
These soldiers are attending Sunday Christian worship services or perhaps they're attending Saturday Jewish worship services. It's not the military directly organizing these sessions. It's the individual chaplains doing what chaplains do.
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Post by dennisw on Jan 18, 2021 10:08:10 GMT 10
Soldiers with faith go into battle knowing the possible cost but also understanding what they are fighting for they therefore suffer less stress and difficulties when the fighting is over and they can return to civilian life. We can all suffer problems as we age but if your actions have been justified during your life regrets are fewer.
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Post by johannes on Jan 22, 2021 3:15:50 GMT 10
Speaking of Sulawesi, and dietary rules, what about the babirusa? It has a multi-chambered stomach, so I guess it chews the cud, but, on the other hand, it can have viable offspring with a domestic pig?
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Post by dennisw on Jan 23, 2021 10:30:14 GMT 10
Speaking of Sulawesi, and dietary rules, what about the babirusa? It has a multi-chambered stomach, so I guess it chews the cud, but, on the other hand, it can have viable offspring with a domestic pig? According to dietary rules if the offspring had cloven hooves and chewed the cud it would be technically Kosher even if its ancestor was a pig. |
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Post by lurcherman on Feb 8, 2021 7:56:24 GMT 10
Soldiers with faith go into battle knowing the possible cost but also understanding what they are fighting for they therefore suffer less stress and difficulties when the fighting is over and they can return to civilian life. We can all suffer problems as we age but if your actions have been justified during your life regrets are fewer. I tend to regret the things I didn't do, the missed opportunities. |
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Post by dennisw on Feb 8, 2021 13:26:53 GMT 10
Many people regret things they didn't do but it is far more painful to regret the things you did do, it may seem strange but I know a man who worked as a contract killer (a hitman) and now he is in his 80's and suffering from a brain tumor but is terrified of dying because he realises judgement might be possible. The one saving grace at present is that he is losing his faculties but of course old memories are the hardest to lose.
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Post by lurcherman on Feb 14, 2021 7:46:18 GMT 10
Speaking of Sulawesi, and dietary rules, what about the babirusa? It has a multi-chambered stomach, so I guess it chews the cud, but, on the other hand, it can have viable offspring with a domestic pig? Definitely one authentic cross at Copenhagen Zoo. Surprising to some extent because it's intersubfamilial. The cross seemed to produce males and females but the males were found to be infertile. Wild boar have been introduced into the Indonesian range of the Babirusa, so watch this space. Even more surprising. perhaps, are the many accounts of horse x cow hybrids, known as Jumarts. www.macroevolution.net/jumarts.html |
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Post by johannes on Feb 25, 2021 21:38:40 GMT 10
I have tried to do a quick search on bovid hybrids, but I have to admit defeat: Yak, gaur, banteng, zebu, domestic cattle and even eland can have offspring with each other, and at least the females are mostly fertile. To pick an example: American buffalos are mostly steppe bison x yak hybrids, but also have ca 6% of domestic cattle DNA. BTW, when I tried to google kouprey, Autocorrect suggested Kourtney...  |
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Post by lurcherman on Feb 25, 2021 23:10:23 GMT 10
Where Jumarts are concerned it wouldn't be all that difficult to do some test matings.
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Post by johannes on Nov 13, 2023 3:52:58 GMT 10
I live in a place with heavy waldensian/hugenot settlement, so my guess on the jumart would be it's a legend born out of a sense of self-preservation: If you are a mountaineer in the Jura and someone from Paris (or from Turin, if you are on the savoyard side of the border) asks you questions, answer "yes", because if you do otherwise, the guy from the government will ask you sharply next time...
McCarthy is a really heavyweight when it comes to bird hybrids, not a crank like, let's say, David Peters. However, avian evolution works radically different from mammalian evolution. Hybridization between avian clades that parted ways in the late K/early PG (ducks and screamers) has been proven, that doesn't mean something similar is possible with mammalian clades that separated at around the same time (perissodactyls/artiodactyls). As for the Alfort skull, that's obviously an equid (horse/mule/donkey) with holoprosencencephalia.
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Post by lurcherman on Nov 18, 2023 5:16:41 GMT 10
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Post by Ian Thomas on Nov 19, 2023 3:09:01 GMT 10
There are some weird specimens locked away in museum basements, no doubt about that. Most zoologists/veterinarians would write off the possibility of cross-species hybrids. It would flatly contradict the fundamentals of genetic and evolutionary theory. But then again ... ?
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Post by lurcherman on Nov 26, 2023 7:39:50 GMT 10
Apologies if this has appeared here before. Scientists accidentally created the sturddlefish by crossing the American paddlefish with the Russian sturgeon. Many of the hybrids survived for at least three years, yet their last common ancestor occurred 184 million years ago. That's much longer ago than the common ancestor of, say, the wolf (Canis lupus) and the thylacine. Basically we can't rule out any hybrid until it has been ruled out experimentally. www.quantamagazine.org/extra-dna-may-make-unlikely-hybrid-fish-possible-20200805/ |
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Post by Ian Thomas on Nov 26, 2023 9:27:43 GMT 10
... Many of the hybrids survived for at least three years, yet their last common ancestor occurred 184 million years ago. .. Evolution can be conservative instead of divergent. All depends on what selective pressures a species is subject to. eg Coelacanths turned up pretty much unchanged after n-millions years. Horseshoe Crabs might be another example of highly conserved evolution, aka 'living fossils'? |
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