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Post by Ian Thomas on Mar 28, 2014 13:22:09 GMT 10
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Post by JeffJ on Mar 29, 2014 0:28:08 GMT 10
Sounds more like Queensland Tiger/Thylacoleo type animals, than it does thylacinus.
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Post by seth24 on Mar 29, 2014 13:27:51 GMT 10
Sounds more like Queensland Tiger/Thylacoleo type animals, than it does thylacinus. |
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Post by seth24 on Mar 29, 2014 13:40:36 GMT 10
Would agree with jeffj, sounds more like a thylacoleo, than a tasmanian tiger. I can't imagine a thylacine up a
tree, let alone "leaping" from one. Also the desciption of the sheep being dragged away and devoured overnight,
would not suggest a thylacine kill. Interesting article though, of thylacine reports coming out of SW gippsland
in the 1950's. I am an avid believer that the thylacine does exist on the mainland, more so the SE coastal areas
of gippsland and the inland forest areas. Also the south coastal areas of victoria extending through the otways , the grampians
and into southern coastal areas of SA. Maybe thylacoleo inhabits these areas as well. cheers seth
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Post by dennisw on Mar 30, 2014 10:01:28 GMT 10
The more of these reports I see the more I begin to wonder if we have three large marsupial carnivores,
1. the panther like black animal which I believe is a thylacoleonid
2. the thylacine
3. A tiger like thylacoleonid sometimes called the Queensland tiger cat and which I believe may have been Rilla's critter. Large arboreal and able to devour a complete sheep in a single night (as a black one is believed to have done at Daisy Hill a few years back).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 11:11:57 GMT 10
What wonderfull new observations some people make. I have been writing along these lines for over 10 years.
I note a new contributor having a cut at Dr Tom, gives me a break.
This sort of crap was getting at me, feeling pretty bad about it, depressed , down in the dumps etc.
Then behold I met a man named Peter, and as I talked with Peter my gloom all went away.
Now I can take denegration as part of being a forum contributor, it is to be expected.
Me, well I will just carry on fantasizing (??).
Ye o'l Bushcat
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Post by saggitarius on Mar 31, 2014 9:17:07 GMT 10
I knew Tom Gannon and from time to time during the 1970s we discussed the mystery animals. He believed there were 3 distinct types of animals running around in South Gippsland - thylacines, black panthers (leopards), and the strange tree-climbing striped cat.
In those days no-one was really talking about thylacoleo although the old timers in the Briagolong area certainly knew about them. Paul Cropper provided me with a list of names and some details of sightings in the Briagolong area which probably encompass the period 1930 to 1965 when the area was destroyed by bushfires and little survived. These sightings describe a big striped cat-like marsupial which would willingly tackle dogs and could climb trees.Many claim to have shot them or caught them in traps.
I will bet some of the families will have had inexpertly tanned pelts on the floor (everyone in the bush had a roo pelt mat in those days)but these will long have been thrown out.
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Post by seth24 on Apr 1, 2014 12:12:11 GMT 10
I knew Tom Gannon and from time to time during the 1970s we discussed the mystery animals. He believed there were 3 distinct types of animals running around in South Gippsland - thylacines, black panthers (leopards), and the strange tree-climbing striped cat. In those days no-one was really talking about thylacoleo although the old timers in the Briagolong area certainly knew about them. Paul Cropper provided me with a list of names and some details of sightings in the Briagolong area which probably encompass the period 1930 to 1965 when the area was destroyed by bushfires and little survived. These sightings describe a big striped cat-like marsupial which would willingly tackle dogs and could climb trees.Many claim to have shot them or caught them in traps. I will bet some of the families will have had inexpertly tanned pelts on the floor (everyone in the bush had a roo pelt mat in those days)but these will long have been thrown out. Here be, maybe a "likely" image of the "wonthaggi monster" that leapt from the tree. On the kevin cameron photo's there was mention that the photo's were taken near sid slee's property, where a few sightings have come from, and which was covered in the animal x documentary a while back. One particular sighting by his son, of an animal that he noticed was the animals rather dark to black colouring. coming from the bush and would rear up on its hinds when confronted by his dogs. Whether there is merit in this i don't know. sid did however put out a booklet called "the haunt of the marsupial wolf" i don't know if any of the questors have come by this. cheers seth Thylacoleo1.bmp (312.34 KB) |
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Post by Ian Thomas on Apr 1, 2014 12:35:35 GMT 10
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Post by saggitarius on Apr 3, 2014 9:09:01 GMT 10
I knew Tom Gannon and from time to time during the 1970s we discussed the mystery animals. He believed there were 3 distinct types of animals running around in South Gippsland - thylacines, black panthers (leopards), and the strange tree-climbing striped cat. I have had a rethink on that comment. I don't think Tom Gannon ever mentioned that the tree climbing "cat" was striped. The striped description in my mind came from some of the old Briagolong sightings. Tom said the descriptions he was getting on tree climber was that if was possibly something native. People did not describe it as a mountain lion or cougar which they might have seeing the colour of it was yellowish or tan, yet they were quite quick to call the black animal a panther. It might be that something in the way it moved or a distinctive non-cat-like face told them that this could be a native carnivore. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 18:34:38 GMT 10
Although there are people around who have greater minds than mine and are quick to denegrate what I have to say,
but who is there to claim over 30 years of close contact experience with the cats.
I have collected volumes of reports and they all cant be figments of imagination. I am stating that by far the most common large predator loose in the Australian country side is the giant Felis Cattus, In my time I have lived only floor boards away, when the mother cats stashed their kittens under my house.
I havnt got too much time to waste on information that will be disbelieved, but these cats come in a variety of colour, from jet black to yellow fawn, with a variety of brown. I claim these cats originated as African wildcats, brought by Phoenecian/Egyption who came to Aust seeking metals, from about 4000 years BP to about 500 YBP, when Alexander stoushed Tyre, the Phooenecian's homeland. Over the years they have evolved to the current size and apart from killing sheep, kangaroos, and calves, some have habitually killed cows and horses.
Next we have thylacoleo, I won,t say carnifex as they may have changed somewhat from the time the fossilised animals were alive. I have received reports of these animals being in a variety of colour, from jet black, to brown to striped, such as shown in the Rilla Martin picture.
A friend of mine enhanced this pic and I compared it to an artists presentation and the comparison was as near as dammit, to each other. I have foot traces copied from foot prints found near Maryborough Vic.
Our giant wild cat is just as much home in the trees as it is on the ground, and I have personally known when the cat has gone off trough the branches when treed by hounds.
Hopefully some time I will write about our enigmic enegmics, (I looked this one up in the dictionary) then people can get a good laugh.
Bushcat
There are some pumas in the Grampians thanks to the Yanks, naturally these are yelloow fawn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 12:50:08 GMT 10
Extract taken from The Narrative of a Voyage of Discovery aboard The Lady Nelson – Lieutenant James Grant (approx. 1800 – 1801)
Tracks of Quadruped – Western Port, Victoria 1801
(Possible location, from the description, on the mainland between The Gurdies and Lang Lang)
"We encamped for the night on the borders of a lagoon which abounded with ducks, and here we found some gunnies or habitations of the natives, about which fish and other bones were strewed in great profusion, with egg-shells of an uncommon size. We observed the tracks of quadrupeds, which were of a larger size than any I had before seen. These tracks were impressed deep in the sand, very round, and without any mark of the claw*.
*The Dutch boors had pointed out to me, whilst I staid at the Cape the distinguishing marks, whereby to discover the different tracks of a tyger, and the wolf or dog. In their hunting excursions they are often forced to follow their game in thick cover, and find it necessary to examine the various traces of the animals, sheltering themselves there: Thus they know those made by the tyger, as they have not the mark of the claw which those of the dog, the wolf, and the hyena have. Besides which, the three last animals leave a longer mark with their feet. Those we saw here were perfectly round, and without the mark of the claw, yet I believe them to belong to the dog of the country, as more of the heel or back of the foot was shewn, than I could discover by tracks made by tygers. However, it must be left to future discovery to ascertain whether there be any other animal in this country than the dog. The tracks were numerous, and the foot-marks of various sizes, but the largest did not exceed the bigness of those of a large Newfoundland dog."
Interesting!!
IanD
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Post by Ian Thomas on Dec 18, 2014 20:24:21 GMT 10
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Post by DP on Dec 19, 2014 15:10:37 GMT 10
Good work digging up that one Ian.
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Post by Ian Thomas on Dec 20, 2014 19:33:33 GMT 10
Dunno about that. Wikipedia ?  |
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