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Post by wally1 on Sept 14, 2005 21:07:09 GMT 10
***** ******* is or was a frail elderly man who had suffered severe emotional trauma. He suffered incredible rubbishing over the thylacine pics episode that left him totally uncoopeative, similar to Rilla Martin, of Rilla's Critter Fame. If he is still alive leave him alone. The thylacine in question had been destroyed on instruction, it was living in an area that was being logged. I obtained this same info from 2 independant sources. A hunter who was initially sent to destroy an animal that was living in a hollow tree renegged when he found a thylacine, and took the sack. It may have or may not have been Mr *******, but it is obvious from examination of the pics concerned that 2 persons were present when the pics were taken, one of them being Mr *******, who claimed to have taken the pics. Best Regards Wally
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2005 23:27:10 GMT 10
***** ******* was a conman who tried to hoodwink the scientific community of the world with an inconsistent story about some photographs that were taken under circumstances that he was never able to satisfactorily explain. Nobody should be surprised that he suffered the rubbishing that he did. The lesson is - if you are going to announce the discovery of a cryptid species, get your story straight. This is not to say that he did not photograph a Thylacine. He probably did. It would be surprising if he did not, given the number of reports from his area, and his pursuit of the matter. But - the fact remains that his unsuccessful attempt to prove his case has tarred the rest of the cz community with the same brush. From now on it's a body, or a damn good video, or youre wasting youre time.
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Post by Thylacoleo Gal on Sept 15, 2005 6:13:17 GMT 10
Gentlemen - we're getting into territory ur friendly admin is not comfortable with. Comment or opinion is OK but specific personal names are not.
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Post by Wally1 on Sept 15, 2005 23:26:01 GMT 10
I agree with you in all cases regarding a body or a clear video. However a body would last as long as it took to be confiscated and a que of edumacated professionals would line up to declare a video to be a fake (the Kyneton and Lithgow "panthers" episodes). If you think it worth while I can expand on this. Cheers Wally ,
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Post by cantona on Sept 16, 2005 2:59:22 GMT 10
If you could expand on that, it would be great. I'm always interested in your posts.
cheers
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Post by The Doc on Sept 16, 2005 4:51:54 GMT 10
Gentlemen, c'mon. ;D These conspiracy theories about Thylacines etc being "covered up" or "suppressed" somehow by mysterious black-suited government agents ... Christ, how would you make it work and stay "secret". How much would it cost? Above all, why would anyone even bother? You have godamn Zaqawi or whatever his name is on the loose, Bin Laden and his pals promising death and destruction. How would it look if, I dunno, ASIO were found to be staking out Joe Blogg's humpy @ back-of-Humpty-Doo 'cause he " might have" a thylacine or big cat or bloody Bigfoot stashed in his fridge? You really orta write THIS on yer fridge -> No UFOs at ARDU's SA base, No Captured ET's in Secret Padded Cell @ Mont Park and No Stash of Thylacine or Yowie carcasses locked up in a Canberra vault. Your "edumacated professionals" line up to trash dodgy vids or pics because they're dodgy. That's their job: it's how science sorts crap from what might be true. The less edumacated, more prosaically, call the process a "bullshit filter". The Kyneton & Lithgow vids are very, er, well let's say, "unclear". Unfortunately. The stills of a thylacine that were turned down by New Scientist were also, er, let's say, "unsatisfactory". So by all means, expand - only let's keep a handle on reality?
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Post by Hobbes on Sept 16, 2005 8:35:55 GMT 10
hear hear Doc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2005 10:02:03 GMT 10
I agree, well put Doc. The only thing which causes more damage to genuine research than conspiracy theories are the ratbags who fake stuff for their own moment of glory. If they got of their big fat B's and did some real work they might eventually get a reward and deserve it.
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Post by Wally1 on Sept 17, 2005 9:28:44 GMT 10
Ah ha, Some meaningful animated discussion at last. More later when I have digested this lot. Regards Wally
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Post by DP on Sept 17, 2005 21:04:30 GMT 10
Oh Doc you are such a wet blanket
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Post by The Doc on Sept 18, 2005 11:13:28 GMT 10
I agree, well put Doc.Do mine eyes deceive me? Who'd have thought of Denny Boy here as a member (in good standing!) of The Doc's Fan Club? ;D It appears a new dawn has broken, folks ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2005 11:28:04 GMT 10
Don't get excited yet Doc, I do give credit where it's due but reserve the right to speak up if you start spouting claptrap again. ;D
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Post by The Doc on Sept 19, 2005 9:53:58 GMT 10
Why thank yuh, Denny. Nice to hear credit given where due for an intelligent observation. I look forward to reciprocating when you yourself get around to doing the same ... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2005 14:48:02 GMT 10
Trouble is Doc, you probably won't recognise common sense when you see it.
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Post by The Doc on Sept 20, 2005 20:16:55 GMT 10
Aw Denny, but I try to emulate the common touch OK, tell yer what re "common sense": the news & current affairs of late has hadda lot stories about workin' stiffs havin' to change their jobs 'cuzza high petrol prices. Can't afford to commute etc. Now we start to hear clamour to reduce petrol excise, and Honest(?) John on the news tonite gave us all a break by tellin' us petrol excise will "not be increased". OK, what does common sense say is gonna happen to the GST rate? The Doc says: fuel excise will be decreased a little and GST will go up a lot - to "compensate". Remember how the GST rate was "set in cement", "never ever" to be increased? Hmm - think we might be diverging into "Politics", here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2005 15:21:23 GMT 10
Unfortunately Doc politics creeps into everything, I am as annoyed with the petrol fiasco as anyone else and don't approve of the PM's handling of the situation (and I will be sure to tell him) but I am sure things would have been worse if that turkey Latham had been elected. Looks like we missed the bullet on that one. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2006 10:42:55 GMT 10
You really orta write THIS on yer fridge -> No UFOs at ARDU's SA base, No Captured ET's in Secret Padded Cell @ Mont Park and No Stash of Thylacine or Yowie carcasses locked up in a Canberra vault. Aw jeez, whaddya mean there's no X-Files warehouse in Canberra? Note to self: cancel trip. Ruby
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Post by igor on Jun 19, 2006 11:30:33 GMT 10
Many years back, someone I knew had a farm at the top end of Cockatoo Vic. They were convinced they had Tassie devils in their valley. Apparently, their goats were attacked with bite marks on the top of the goats neck. I'm not sure why they thought this was a sign of devils, but certainly not consistent with dog attacks. sadly, all activity ended there with Ash Wednesday, as that valley got VERY hot.... There are always the odd weired report in the district every year or two....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2006 21:43:33 GMT 10
There are still Devils killed on Victorian roads, this site has a map showing some of the locations. www.oneworldwildlife.org/australia.htmlThere have been more recent reports from Ballarat (Snake Valley) and in the forest between Harcourt and Maldon there are often reports of vocalisations. ;D
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Post by Thylacoleo Gal on Jun 20, 2006 8:08:17 GMT 10
There's said to be several spots in the upper Dandenongs where Devils are to be seen. Hmmmm .... gotta be escapees' descendants?
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Post by youcantry on Jul 8, 2006 2:13:29 GMT 10
Debbie, I am interested to help out with the mainland devil search.
Also if anyone has further info about the Blue Mountains thylacine mentioned in the thread, please let me know.
I'm at youcantryreachingme AT gmail DOT com
Cheers,
Chris.
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Post by Thylacoleo Gal on Aug 3, 2006 14:03:02 GMT 10
Hi Chris - ok i'll keep u posted if we turn anything up. we're tied up with that bobuck survey right now but i'm hoping to do some photo runs up in the alps come september-october. best - Debbie PS: the Gippsland Bobucks might be going to appear in a newspaper called The Current and also in the Leongatha Star. will let everybody know if/when i hear anything.
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Post by devildog on Aug 4, 2006 14:18:11 GMT 10
I agree with your hunch Debbie, the Aussie MF did survive in narrow ecological corridors, along with TC and the Wollemi Pine. Since the Wollemi was discovered relatively recently, and it's rooted to the spot, I think the more mobile suvivors had an even better chance - we just haven't found that elusive 'evidence' yet. I live in the Blue Mountains - there have been numerous pre-dawn skirmishes by unseen critters in my backyard, which send the local dogs into a yelping/whining frenzy. I heard it up close only once myself and all my hair stood on end. I attribute the crashing through the undergrowth and grunting/yowling to territorial thlya/TC combat. Every so often I "sense" rather than "see" something watching me ... Have found some hair (probably possum) and a white twirled skat (probably quoll) in the bush, but not that damned hard evidence.. yet Cheers eveyone!
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Post by youcantry on Aug 4, 2006 15:05:36 GMT 10
Eric Guiler and Philippe Godard write in "Tasmanian Tiger: a lesson to be learnt" (1998, Abrolhos Publishing)
"... the recent discovery in the Kimberly Mountains of a pile of bones beloning to a variety of animal species, including the thylacine, has undermined the accuracy of this assumption [that thylacines died out in Western Australia at least 3000 years ago]. Carbon 14 datings in fave gave an age 0 + or - 80 years before... 1950! A degree of uncertainty nonetheless exists, as it is still possible that the dating relates to some material that is foreign to the animal we are specifically interested in." (p38)
Those lines are cited with the following reference:
'Information taken from "Prehistoric Mammals of Western Australia" by Ken McNamara and Peter Murray (WA Museum - 1985)'
I have it on some level of authority (via private conversation) that the final conclusion was that the 0 + or - 80 dating actually related to an animal other than the thylacine. However, I have also heard rumour that that animal's skeleton was situated underneath the thylacine.
All a bit mysterious, but this is probably one of the hardest specimens to come by facts about. Please do enlighten me if you can point me to more information about it.
Chris.
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Post by youcantry on Aug 4, 2006 15:07:43 GMT 10
Sorry - that was a reply to Cantona from September 13, 2005 in this thread.
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Post by lurcherman on Dec 24, 2009 8:19:39 GMT 10
A couple of posts at the end of this thread mention Owens book 'Thylacine, the tragic tale of the Tasmanian tiger'. I might be wildly out of date with this as the book is six years old but (for me) it contains a glaring error on page 194. The book refers to someone named Brown who thought he saw a Thylacine, he drove back to the area and decided it was a false alarm as the animal in question turned out to be "a greyhound with four stripes across its back". As any doggy person will tell you Canis Familiaris doesn't have stripes; brindles and grizzles yes but not stripes.
One could even hazard a guess that a striped dog would be more valuable than a Thylacine; as a Thylacine would denote an extant population somewhere, whereas a striped dog would be unique and useful as breeding stock.
Oddly enough the animal in the 'Chaotica photograph' has four or five widely spaced stripes.
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Post by youcantry on Dec 24, 2009 10:27:25 GMT 10
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Post by youcantry on Dec 24, 2009 10:34:34 GMT 10
PS.. = "stripes" in "non-doggy-person" speak.
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Post by rayharvey271 on Dec 24, 2009 12:34:28 GMT 10
here go nothing no doubt i will get abit of bad pr over this i have meet people who will do any thing to get pr they fake fox videos to get pr just out of focus they think u will give them the benifit of the doubt , they wanted some of my footage of foxs , i said no way... but they got some footed from other people,and put it on tv any way .. others in certain areas paint stripe on suiable dogs and run them in front of weary travellers.as for the thylacine being found the logging industries will loose a lot of money . they will have to stop baiting with 1080 and they wont b able to burn off like they want...they burn an area from within is this correct and no wildlife survives i have seen doc on this kind of burning in tas if any one knows more on this i would like to know i think i add bit more on this burning they circle the outer perimiter with fire than dropped fire in the middle and noththing gets away im i right on this..if thylacines r found in certain areas this will stop which means logging company loose money and areas , which there is not that many areas left to log ..if thylacines r found money will b brought to the australian govt in other forms , people will come from all over the world to view this animal when i tried to show people in power my prints they quake . no doubt i havent show the right people yet if any logging company wants to sponser me with some cams of mine chooseing and placed me in an area where there has been good shigtings... for 2 to3 weeks im very good at finding animals . i had very good teachers even fleay try to get certain members of my family many years ago to go 2 tas for him and find thys but thier woman told them u anit going any where for 3mts and if u do u wont b coming back 2 this house. which put a stop 2 that ..and that started this fire in me to find my own thylacines . i know one area we need more and they aint that easy to get a pic of..i believe from my own expirence certian group do not want this animal found.. but they will b found with trail cams sooner or later.
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Post by rayharvey271 on Dec 24, 2009 12:42:57 GMT 10
how would u hide thylacines u could move them to areas where thier is no one , if u were a logging company u used 1080 or a bullet and burn the remains , that wouldnt cost too much would it the thylacines are lucky they have group like thylacoleo and others and thy aint that many left every day counts sooner or later there will only b one..
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